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Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:01 am

Its not helping others that I'm opposed to. I try to do as much of it as I possibly can. I'm not opposed to education either. Nor am I opposed to caring for those that can't care for themselves. Its funding this government for any reason that I'm opposed to. I'm glad you live in a country who's government isn't actively waging war against its citizens. Not all of us are as fortunate. So regardless the reason, or how good the intentions, any funds that get into this governments hands will be used to enrich themselves and those they serve.
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Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:18 am

Denny...sorry if I attacked you. It's frustration. The place where you and I grew up doesn't exist anymore, and that hurts, angers, and terrifies me all at once. I am pleased to hear that we don't differ on these 'ideals' while both understanding that the system Americans are currently trapped in is only pretending to consider this seriously.

Sounds like you think ALOT like me(!)...revolution is required. There are quite a few criminals in need of justice, and a pretty big system protecting them from it. Every once in a while, so we are told, revolution is required to guarantee liberty. I hear bells constantly.

It's a hard realization for most Americans...that everything they thought was good isn't. That everything they've been told about what America has been corrupted and ruined by greed, and that these are not the exception, but the rule in America's ruling class. Hell, most Americans don't even understand that there is a well-established ruling class. They desperately want to believe that there is still some GOOD in the gov't. Maybe Russ Feingold. Maybe.

If the facts came out that they knew Saddam had no WMDs and wasn't involved with Osama, the concensus idea about 9/11, Iraq, and WMDs would never really change in America. Oh wait! This is what happened (anyone remember the Downing street memo?), and the concensus didn't change. Their control over the 70% non-thinking folks is absolute, and this makes revolutions nearly impossible. Scary.

Good luck over there, fella.

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Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:30 am

ObijuanKenobe wrote:
I hear bells constantly.

You may want to get a specialist to look into that for you.

:P

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Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:33 am

ObijuanKenobe wrote:
I hear bells constantly.

obi


So did Quasimodo and he had a fair bit to hump about n'all :-P
 
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Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:08 pm

NEX wrote:
ObijuanKenobe wrote:
I hear bells constantly.


So did Quasimodo and he had a fair bit to hump about n'all :-P


I have hunch someone was trying to be funny.
 
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:21 am

Phillip wrote:
NEX wrote:
ObijuanKenobe wrote:
I hear bells constantly.


So did Quasimodo and he had a fair bit to hump about n'all :-P


I have hunch someone was trying to be funny.


You guys just trying to get my back up?


p.s. It's said that Quasi' couldn't get corrective surgery as it was a pre-existing condition so the private health insurers wouldn't take him on.
 
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:45 am

Stan Doff wrote:
Phillip wrote:
NEX wrote:
ObijuanKenobe wrote:
I hear bells constantly.


So did Quasimodo and he had a fair bit to hump about n'all :-P


I have hunch someone was trying to be funny.


You guys just trying to get my back up?


"You guys"? Why are you lumping us all together?